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Posted by: Ariel Gonzalez-Motivate You Fitness & Personal Training. www.motivateyou.com.au | 27-Jul-2010 03:13 PM |

Well said. It is getting a little old to be bashing the Fitness Industry. As with ALL professions, there are great practioners, good, average and poor. I know of at least 3 doctors that have recently been convicted for malpractice, and several other allied health professionals that casued more harm their patients injuries.

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Posted by: Ryan Hogan | 10-Feb-2010 10:23 AM |

I completely agree with you Alisha. This heading of this article is misleading and sensationalist. The last thing Australia (or any country for that matter) needs is another reason not to exercise. Well spoken!

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Posted by: Gray Australia | 10-Feb-2010 08:05 PM |

This article was obviously written with the intention of creating controversy. Its absolutely ridiculous, not to mention irresponsible of the paper to publish a story which devalues exercise when Australia's overweight & obesity rate is 60%. Shame on you Sydney Morning Herald. You have once again tainted your reputation as a credible source of information.

Posted by: raptfx systems | 10-Feb-2010 08:07 PM |

Good going Alisha, agree with you.

Posted by: Paul | 10-Feb-2010 08:22 PM |

HI. I find that Fitness Trainer Courses teach the same old fashioned Cardio principals. With 13 years experience as a trainer I have found with a large variety of clients, that cardio such as Crosstrainers, Bikes and steppers etc is largely a waste of time. It has its place so use it where it suits. The problem here is the definition of what is cardiovascular exercise. Surely it is simply the bodys ability to get oxygen to the working muscles. This system is worked in a high intensity program using strength or other movements.I feel schools are still teaching outdated generic cardio principles. Most people who focus on the traditional style cardio look stressed and weak. I think your article makes you sound like a religious organisation telling people what your views are. haha..So here's mine! Enjoy.

Posted by: Ian Boyle | 10-Feb-2010 08:41 PM |

I just wanted to chip in with the addition of some of the most recent research into aerobic exercise and it impact on brain function. My keynote from Filex last year captures some of these latest developments http://voicethread.com/#e453854. The physical benefits we get from aerobic exercise are simple beneficial side effects, what is so exciting about this new research is that we now know it enhances brain function. It helps neural development in the hypocampus which results in better learning and memory, it can reverse the effect of aging in our brain just to name a few. [see the link above for an overview] Aerobic exercise not only for your body but our brains! Ian Boyle

Posted by: Anonymous | 10-Feb-2010 08:52 PM |

The problem here Paul is not what is the definition of cardiovascular exercise, but rather what benefits are obtained from cardiovascular exercise. By your definition Paul we are performing cardiovascular exercise every minute of our lives as the body is trying to get oxygen to the working muscles, regardless of whether we are walking, sleeping or sitting thinking. You should realize that though as you would tend to find your heart never stops beating. Tell me Paul does a high Intensity strength program or other movements adequatley prepare someone for an endurance event, or a sport that has high levels of aerobic activity. You know maybe marathon runners looks stressed and weak, maybe Iron Men even look stressed and weak, but they are unbelievable athletes. Yes LSD methods of aerobic training are taking a back seat somewhat, but aerobic training and hence cardiovascular exercise Paul is alive and well. By the way Paul you would be an excellent leader for another competing religion against fitness network with your dogma.

Posted by: ROD | 10-Feb-2010 08:59 PM |

Everyone loves a controversial story. As we all know papers are sold on sensationalism. Rather then get into a web of nastiness why not attempt to work with the paper in getting more out of the story on educating the public. Work with the writer or editor to get a real understanding of the story and how they can assist or go to another form of Media. Channel 9 Today have been plugging health and fitness very heavy.....ha.....You know you will have a lot of advocates to push a positive message...So NETWORK STEP UP....GIVE SOME CARDIO EDUCATION...KEEP SPREADING THE WORD.....

Posted by: Helen Poulos | 10-Feb-2010 09:01 PM |

I feel that anyone who plants the seeds of negativity into the minds of people who may succumb to it are quite weak & cowardly themselves for being so negative in the first place. No, Aerobics is NOT a waste of time. I know of many people who wish for the days when Aerobics - yes - plain old Aerobics was back on the gym timetable, because quite frankly, alot of the new additions are intimidating for many to even think about giving a go. Aerobics is good, old fashioned, back to basic CARDIO workouts - & it really is up to the individual as to exactly what they wish to achieve from attending to do an Aerobic workout. ANY physical activity is a bonus in my eyes...if Aerobics were such a waste of time, why do Practisioners encourage 'Incidental Exercise'...? Because, as I mentioned, ANY physical activity is a bonus & really should be encouraged. So, anyone who wishes to have this arguement with me can certainly put it to me, as I am can debate about it till the cows come home. I lost a hell of a lot of weight from 'AEROBICS', combined with other things, such as a POSITIVE mindset to get me there, & to work really hard when I was in the Group Fitness Studio.

Posted by: Helen Poulos | 10-Feb-2010 09:14 PM |

Bring back AEROBICS for Natural Therapy!!! Yay!!! TRUE benefits of Cardio/Aerobics are transforming...ask me, I preach it because I know. Was a size 16, now a size 8...HELLO!!! Aerobics can be linked to living life to the fullest & being on a constant 'Natural High' for life...set your goals...you dont need to set out to lose weight if you dont want, but just GET ACTIVE & DO AEROBICS!!! Embrace the benefits of old fashioned back to basics!!! Seratonin....Endorphins...who needs to pop pills when you have these amazing natural therapies!!!

Posted by: Jared C. | 10-Feb-2010 09:39 PM |

Once again this article and the varying opinions being expressed here in the comment section provide support for the notion of 'context'. Perhaps if the article was titled ' Cardio is a waste of time for 20% of the population' it may be taken on board with less critique, however i did notice it said it was a waste of time for obtaining health benefits. There seemed to be nothing mentioned in regards to performance enhancement, though i know some people with make no distinction between both but i can guarantee you there is. But irregardless we all can see the article title is just a fancy way of attracting readers to make another excuse for why exercise does nothing for them. Im thinking i should write my own article 'Exercise causes more injurys than sedentary activity and why you should stop'. I could make thousands :D

Posted by: Michael B | 11-Feb-2010 12:28 AM |

Another headline which is not partial but misleading. Nothing worse than an article suppose to be reporting facts but instead swaying the reader not only on an opinion but an uneducated one. Creating contraversy because they have next to no knowlege on the topic. Unethical? Sure. All forms of exercise as long it is not dangerous to the participant serves a purpose. Depending on the very unique needs of all different sectors of society at different times. Aerobic exercise in any form is beneficial and much better than laying home on the couch. Not a black and white issue like the reporter makes out but very grey like the comments above clearly states Another bit of b, even c grade information from what I believe to be a c grade paper. Im in agreement with Alisha on the article being an irresponsible piece of journalism. Like the other fallacies we see on infomercials, there should be laws to stop manipulation of the general public. In order for corporations to make a buck or in this case sell a story.

Posted by: Daryll | 11-Feb-2010 12:46 AM |

Another piece of lazy journalism, easy to go for the headline instead of researching. Perhaps if the focus was on movement,anything more than normal is overload, then people would not be so discouraged. I agree that negative headlines such as this are an excuse for the hard to motivate not to move.

Posted by: Sean | 11-Feb-2010 07:05 AM |

Do you think maybe the article writer has tried and failed at exercise? perhaps instead of getting all bent over backwards about what happens everyday in the media (manipulation of information) you should all be offering your expertise to the writer to help them deal with their negative outlook on physical activity and give them the opportunity to experience the positive benifits of being physicaly active. We can only help the willing and those aposed to physical exercise already have the excuse not to do so. This article will only serve to reinforce their feelings, any competent reader will see that there are benifits in exercise and as fitness professionals you can help them fully understand what this article is suggesting.

Posted by: Anonymous | 11-Feb-2010 07:28 AM |

I'm just as annoyed as anyone with this article, maybe more so because I am both a fitness instructor and a journalist! For the headline we must blame the subeditor - that's not the journo's doing so we shouldn't blame them directly, however the lead (the first two paragraphs) are definitely sensational and inaccurate with the information given in the rest of the story. Rather than motivating those who aren't losing weight to try another form of exercise, such as resistance training, anyone skimming the article may just think: "well I'll stop exercising now, there's no hope...pass me the muffin!" It is reminiscent of an article in the Telegraph not too long ago about cardio making people 'fat'' because it made them hungry, binge eat but also slows down the metabolism. We know that cardio does slow down the metabolism for the direct time after exercise, which is why protein shakes and replenishing liquids are recommended, with a healthy meal to come later. These papers should be picking on people's poor dietary habits and leave our industry well alone! Articles like this should also come with a disclaimer like a pack of tablets: seek advice from your fitness professional before making changes to your regime.

Posted by: The Industry Insider. | 11-Feb-2010 08:44 AM |

Does it really surprise anyone that the Industrialist controlled Media came out with a story such as this? Alisha’s points were dead on. I fully support her views and agree that the story should have been titled “Irresponsible Journalism; A Waste of Time.” Good Job Alisha! Now please allow me to get on my soapbox and go a step further. First of all, it should not surprise anyone in our industry (or any industry for that matter) that big business sponsored media spews out Propagandist headlines. It’s a crime that journalists are nothing more than corporate puppets with no real skill, and they should all be ashamed of themselves. Journalism began as a way to monitor big business practice and hold the wealthy bourgeois class accountable for crimes against the poor ‘servant class’ majority, but has since been corrupted by corporate greed and bribery. Second, it is true that our genetics are the “Master Gatekeepers” of our physical potential. An Elephant, for example, will never be as lean or agile as a Cheetah, no matter what workout program he goes on, or how much he diets. But, that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t try to be the best Elephant he can possible be. In fact, if he tried hard enough he may even come to be known as the Brad Pitt of Elephants! Third, when will we all move beyond our selfish Vanity and focus on the other benefits of consistent exercise and proper nutrition, instead of only talking about how skinny we are, or how our ass looks in a pair of jeans. Look, I know human vanity is the engine that drives our industry and that most people workout so their butt will look good in their Levi’s, but lets not forget all the other benefits. Start talking to your clients about having more energy, less joint pain, deeper and more restorative sleep, control of their Diabetes, less stress and mental deterioration…the list goes on and on. My point is, as long as we just focus on the Fat / Skinny argument, we will always be at the mercy of the corporate controlled media who throw out stupid headlines to confuse the uneducated masses and keep them listless and out of shape, so they continue to buy the Doritos and Budweiser that keeps CEO’s happy, and the expensive prescription medication that keeps millions flowing into the pockets of special interest and politicians. I mean come on, we are talking about money, and money is more important than people…right?

Posted by: Anonymous | 11-Feb-2010 09:03 AM |

You can blindfold a person and take them to the dump and most times they will still know or guess exactly where they are. When something smells as bad as this, you realise its garbage. The article was a blatant headline grabbing attempt from some poor understudy in a pathetic attempt to show the boss they are worthy of the front page. It’s an old formula" Misleading headline, contradicting facts within the storyline and attacking a minor industry along the way...receipt for selling papers. The editor should be ashamed for filling space in such a manner but of course he/she isn’t.

Posted by: Daniel Shakespeare | 11-Feb-2010 09:12 AM |

As a Cert III student, I am in no way claiming to be an expert on the topic however, it should be noted that this study has analysed the benefits of aerobic exercise in total isolation of other lifestyle factors. Any fitness professional worth their salt (or salt reduced as the case may be...) would not prescribe aerobic exercise in isolation and expect quality results, ignore the synergistic benefits achieved by coupling this with a quality nutrition plan, strength and flexibility training. The benefit this article may have for the fitness industry is that it gives the lazy, dim and unmotivated another reason to do nothing, allowing PTs to spend more time with those who are motivated to improve their lives, rather than fighting a losing battle against apathy.

Posted by: Sue Ramsay | 11-Feb-2010 05:38 PM |

I totally agree with the viewpoint of sensationalism, most media outlets thrive on making things up not talking to the right people who actually know what they are talking about then planting the negativity in the minds of people and there goes your motivation. Yes, everyone has a different body shape and I believe metabolism problems could have something to do with your genetic makeup in my case I know I have a very slow metabolism and I am missing a thyroid so I have to work extra hard with cardio workouts but if I didn't exercise then I don't want to think about the state of my body furthermore as we age exercise is very important to our quality of life. I hope the readers didn't take too much notice of the article.

Posted by: Anonymous | 12-Feb-2010 06:55 PM |

this is media hype at its best all i have to say is read "spark" by Dr john ratey and eric hagerman. aerobic exercise is more than just fitness of the body but of the mind.

Posted by: Anonymous | 15-Feb-2010 10:47 AM |

How typical of the fitness industry to get its knickers in a knot because some nobody said aerobic exercise is a waste of time. Do the words "fitness" and "professional" really belong in the same sentence?

Posted by: vfb.co.uk | 16-Feb-2010 10:10 AM |

You people are sheep, how can you be so ignorant!? I completely support the headline - cardiovascular exercise is boring and uncomfortable. If you want real results, please visit my website for a great deal on a vibrating fat burner belt.

Posted by: Ariel Gonzalez- Motivate You Fitness & Persoanl Training. www.motivateyou.com.au | 31-Jul-2010 08:57 PM |

I cant believe people woould write crap like that, even worse, for people to believe it!

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Posted by: Matt O'Neill | 02-Feb-2010 11:45 AM |

I'm cheering for anyone who want to lose a lot of weight to get healthy, but dramatic weight loss stuffs your metabolism. See Media Release on this here: http://tinyurl.com/y8lsgta. Given the downnsides I can only feel that people experience rapid weight loss, either (1) Because they need it for motivation or (2) Their plan is too restrictive (eg. shakes) and causes excessive losses. I present an alertnative program that focuses optimising metabolism with real foods and boosting nutrition skills. With these elements, you don't need rapid results because you feel confident to get results and keep them (without stuffing your metabolism). If anyone wants info - metabolicjumpstart.com. Twitter - /matthewoneill

Posted by: Anonymous | 02-Feb-2010 11:54 AM |

I would love to share my media release which also expresses my thoughts about the Biggest Loser! Media Release: 2 February 2010 Could The Biggest Loser Be Sending Out The Wrong Message? Viewers across the nation tune in to The Biggest Loser, many of whom are overweight and desperate to find motivation and answers to help them also shed their unwanted body-fat. But is it realistic to let people think that 15kg of weight loss in one week is normal, or even realistic? We already have a society who want quick fixes and overnight solutions, add to this the pressure of having them feel that losing 10-15kg a week is ‘normal’ and they are more likely than ever to feel that they are failures when they can’t achieve these results. For every day Aussies that are not locked away for months on end with a personal trainer and chef’s, losing weight permanently requires a balanced approach and permanent lifestyle changes; changes that are real, that are simple and that are effective – not something that requires drinking their meals for the rest of their lives or having them feel hopeless or like failures when it doesn’t work. So, with over 7.4 million Australian adults classified as overweight or obese and those figures expected to increase by 50 per cent within five years*, Sonja Falvo (Director of Real Body Enterprises) has launched the inaugural National Fat-Loss-a-Thon. Ms Falvo sees this event as a necessity for our nation’s health and wellbeing. “I want to help build a healthier and fitter country, so I have set a goal to help 4,000 Australians lose 24,000 kilos and raise $250,000 for The Sports Rewards Foundation between 1 January and 17 May, 2010’,” MS Falvo said. Each participant in The National Fat-Loss-A-Thon will take part in a 12-week online program developed by Real Body Enterprises, with the chance to win more than $13,000 in cash and prizes. The event is aimed at improving overall health and wellbeing, assisting in weight loss and providing simple and effective lifestyle changes, Ms Falvo explained. “The National Fat-Loss-A-Thon will help to raise awareness of the importance of physical activity and healthy lifestyle habits for the prevention of obesity, type II diabetes and heart disease” she said. Registration for the National Fat-Loss-A-Thon began on 1 January 2010 and entries remain open until 28 February, 2010. Participants will receive online access to information and guidelines on how to follow the 12-week Real Body Program, including recipes, meal plans and exercise programs. Ms Falvo wrote the program after two years of research and through her work with three nutritionists. Entry is confirmed with a $10 donation to the Sports Rewards Foundation and each participant’s 12-week program must be completed by 17 May, 2010. Winners are judged 50 per cent on their physical results (from their before and after photos) and 50 per cent on personal questionnaire answers. The National Fat-Loss-a-Thon is supported by the following sponsors: Real Body Enterprises www.RealBodyEnterprises.com PB Sports www.pbsportsnutrition.com Swish Events www.swishcorporation.com Strawberry Communications www.strawberrycommunications.com.au Westpac www.westpac.com.au Blooms Health www.bloomshealth.com.au Hound Dog Graphics www.hounddoggraphics.com.au Balanced Magazine www.balancedmedia.com.au For more information visit www.fatlossathon.com and http://www.healthyweightweek.com.au/index.asp * Australian Bureau of Statistics: Overweight and Obesity in Adults Australia 2004-2005, Catalogue 4719.0 -ends- For further information, images or interviews please contact: Johanna Baker-Dowdell Strawberry Communications P: 0423 969 661 E: johanna@strawberrycommunications.com.au W: www.strawberrycommunications.com.au Sonja Falvo Real Body Enterprises P: (07) 3392 0770 E: admin@realbodyenterprises.com W: www.RealBodyEnterprises.com About Real Body Enterprises • Real Body Enterprises aims to deliver a sensible, realistic approach to healthy eating and lifestyle to provide long-term fat loss, increased self-esteem and quality of life • Real Body Enterprises wants to reduce the global epidemic of obesity in children and adults through education, support and a program that is designed to deliver results to every person, every time • Real Body Enterprises CEO Sonja Falvo is an author of two bestselling books, keynote speaker and has a strong passion for helping people to improve their long-term health, wellbeing and self-esteem • Sonja Falvo was also Director of What Women Want Personal Training in Brisbane and National Fitness Manager for Fitness First in the UK • Real Body Enterprises: Level 16/120 Edward St, Brisbane, (07) 3392 0770 or admin@realbodyenterprises.com. About The Sports Rewards Foundation • The Sports Rewards Foundation is a not-for-profit entity • It was established to remove barriers to entry for children involved in physical activity and organised sport (to combat the childhood obesity epidemic) as well as to actively promote physical activity and organised sports to children and teens • The Sports Rewards Foundation aims to raise awareness of the importance of physical activity for better health in children and donate more than $2 million per year to grass roots sports. • Visit www.SportsRewards.net.au and click on Foundation for more information.

Posted by: Shaz | 02-Feb-2010 12:16 PM |

I love it. I loved it last night when they had to do their public speaking - very brave. I'm well aware of the dangers of such rapid weight loss and the damage it can do - but it also encourages larger people to start asking questions and asking for help. I know I have a feedback newsletter at the end of each week of all the questions my clients have asked during the week. As a person who battles with her weight every day of her life, I understand the demons that some of these people go through. However look at their fantastic achievements. The young man, Shannon, he had a major breakthrough last night by getting off the ground and continuing the walk. Good on these people for being brave enough to go on tv for help. Good on them for allowing us to hear their demons and see their struggles. Good on anyone else this show motivates to start looking after themselves. Any trainer worth their profession would obviously tell their clients that this is extreme and will not happen to them, but if it motivates them even more to get moving - that's a fantastic thing.

Posted by: Bel | 02-Feb-2010 01:08 PM |

I think this show is the greatest thing to ever grace reality TV. It's motivating sedentary people to get moving & proving that you can lose weight, no matter what your circumstances. Those that have been following the show for a while will know that losing 10kg a week isn't realistic for anyone in the real world but we have to remember that they have personal trainers/nutritionists on the show & are on tight food restrictions. They also work out more than the average person per day AND have a LOT more weight to lose, hence the massive losses. The great thing about The Biggest Loser is that It shows how emotional the journey to losing weight can be. The contestants are so inspirational & defy all kinds of odds to lose weight. Its not easy to get up in front of the whole country with half your gear off so everyone can see your body (during weigh-in). Massive respect for anyone that can do that, especially on TV. As a personal trainer, I get a lot of ideas from the show (although some of the exercises are not-so conventional). I think the trainers do a great job in coaching the contestants, both physically & emotionally. Long live Biggest Loser!

Posted by: Gabrielle Maston Dietitian and Exercise Physiologist www.changingshape.net.au | 02-Feb-2010 01:16 PM |

I think the underlying priciples of the show -using Diet therapy and Exercsie for weight loss is great. I do however disaggree with the intensity of exercise the participants undertake. Being obese places a large strain on joints and the cardiovascular system. Undertaking this type of exercise intensity can be very dangerous for these people. Far often than not there is a participant who injures themselves thats puts them "out of the game" for a significant period of time. This can be very discouraging for the participant, but also I believe shows professional negligence by the trainers. Often in new clients I see , I am disappointed when they complain how hard it is to lose weight. often referring to the biggest losers. They state that if they also had 6 hours to train they would be able to lose weight too. The show creates an unrealistic view on weight loss treatment. It causes weightloss to be viewed as a distant unattainable goal in ther circumstances. Encourage your clients to exercise moderatly and adopt a view on healthy eating and food. This is really all it takes. In good health - Gabrielle Maston- Dietitian/nutritionist and Exercise physiologist www.changingshape.net.au

Posted by: Joanne Butler | 02-Feb-2010 01:53 PM |

I'm not sure whether I love or hate it because there are parts I think are too much and others, like the fact that it motivates so many to give it a go, that are spot on. I think any one of us (fitness professionals) can take bits and pieces and use them as motivation for those already on their journey or for those that are yet to begin. Anything that can help motivate people to change to a healthier lifestyle is great in my books. I love the way they use both nutrition and training as the means even though sometimes I feel that the workouts themselves are not quite appropriate. But then again, what we see on TV could be totally different to what really goes on. Jo

Posted by: Nick Whiley | 02-Feb-2010 02:29 PM |

I love the show, and the good health practices it actively promotes and encourages. To suggest it creates unrealistic expectations because of the amount of weight lost each week is like suggesting I would get an unrealistic expectation of how much money I can make if I read Bill Gates' biography. I believe the show does a great job of presenting solid old fashioned healthy habits (diet and exercise, with appropriate supervision) methods of losing weight. It makes no claim that viewers can achieve similar results without similar focus and effort, and frankly I don't think people are that stupid. Of course the production wants to make the show competitive, so we'll see some people achieving dramatic results. I believe that over-achievement serves more to inspire than mis-lead. OK, I'm off to make $35billion in business now! Surely it can't be THAT difficult. ;)

Posted by: Anonymous | 02-Feb-2010 04:17 PM |

Could it be that these people really need to see someone about their Psychological problems before they attack their physical one?

Posted by: patricia mclean | 02-Feb-2010 07:56 PM |

as per above yes you can not loose weight and ikeep it of until the psychological demons have been addressed, i know this from perrsonal experince. so maybe there neds to be a psychologist attached to the show, the trainers do address this issue, but i do not think they are trained in this feild, though all personal trainers do act as councellors to some extent

Posted by: Michelle H | 02-Feb-2010 11:52 PM |

I love it - being in the fitness (& personal development) industry I am fully supportive of the contestants and trainers. It really emphasises that with consistency and determination, you can achieve whatever you desire. There may be health risks associated with rapid weight loss but can it be any worse than where they started? Good onto them and providing motivation to those that need it.

Posted by: Gary Hoffman | 03-Feb-2010 02:12 AM |

Yep fitness - good, yep healthy eating - good, yep weight loss for obese - good, biggest loser - good? YEP FOR RATINGS! Lets not lose sight of why this show exists. TV RATINGS! think about it, if someone on the show had a heart attack from the exessive strain they are put through and could not be saved the show would be axed, if ratings declined the show would be axed. 'Reality' I think not, as a trainer and assessor for the fitness industry (first qualifed in 1987 - upgraded as recently as 2008 and constantly upskilling), I do not like the message it sends out! Question: would all those above saying they 'love it' risk their own clients life (do you have a medical team standing by?) in this way????

Posted by: Clayton | 04-Feb-2010 12:07 PM |

It's a love hate relationship really. But having said that, anything that gets people interested in losing weight or fitness or just generally getting of their backside and starting to move is a plus. While the situation they create on TV is hard to emulate in the real world, ie. food prepared by chefs, the whole drama of the situation and the endless props necessary to entertain people into exercise, ignoring the medium is foolish as is trying to discredit the show. Have to agree with Matt's comment also... Nutrient rich food, sensible eating and exercise is a sound way to get into shape NO MATTER WHERE YOU START FROM. There are no pills, shakes, etc. required to lose weight. Regards, Clayton Adelaide Personal Trainers http://www.adelaidepersonaltrainers.com.au

Posted by: Elissa | 10-Feb-2010 07:29 PM |

So totally agree with Anonymous. All I see is a mass of emotional/psychological trauma...

Posted by: Esther | 11-Feb-2010 10:47 AM |

As a personal trainer ... all the show does for me is create a false impression of massive rapid weight loss. I am finding it difficult for my clients (those that actually watch the show) to understand that there never is a quick "fix solution" to weight loss and maintaining that weight loss.

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Posted by: Anonymous | 03-Dec-2009 01:18 PM |

A National Sarcopaenia Week is truly valid in the face of our increasing longevity and the need to have a functional body for the additional decades we want to live independently. The programmes we have introduced to combat sarcopaenia have a 95% adherence/attendance in the 50-85 year demographic. Done in small, supervised groups with a professional trainer at set times and using equipment that provides both concentric/eccentric phases, the activity is seen as fun and the results are impressive. Posture, global movement, ability to do daily living tasks well and general strength all measurably improved. Same programme used for diabetics and pre-diabetics addresses the body fat/vital tissue compositon balance that influences carbohydrate metabolism and insulin sensitivity. So, yes to a special week to recognise the need to hang onto every bit of muscle we can. Victoria

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Posted by: Corey Slade | 02-Dec-2009 05:40 PM |

Well done Ryan. I think you have it all summed up very well. Now how do we lobby the governments to do it...? How about the peak aussie & NZ fitness bodies launch a program similar to 'GetUp' - calling for support & donations from trainers, clubs & all their clients to sign & then deliver to Govt's. That might get us started - what do you think?

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Posted by: Patricia Cameron | 21-Aug-2009 12:22 PM |

What a heap of hogwash!!!!! I have been running exercise to music classes for more than 20 years (now weightbearing and chairbased with the much older adult who sing the praises about how they feel after the classes each week). As for the weight issue, I have recently retired from a job as features editor for the local paper, where bums on seats were the order of the day. In the last four months after working in the garden, walking down the end of a long drive to get the mail and helping run our farm, I have lost more than 5kgs in weight. Simply moving does the job and classes which target age groups and fitness levels in a concentrated dose must do it more effectively. I bet the writer of the article sits at work, then at home and weighs in at more than 100kgs!!!!

Posted by: Bec Josey | 21-Aug-2009 12:57 PM |

Definitely aimed at getting the empathy vote from readers. A very similar article was published in one of the Australian national papers last year and was brought to me for clarification by one of my clients! My opinion was much the same as yours and at least as fitness professionals we are in a position to debunk such myths. Fortunately, I think such articles are in the minority.

Posted by: Anonymous | 21-Aug-2009 12:59 PM |

I cannot believe TIME magazine would write such crap!!! What does everyone from TIME magazine look like??

Posted by: Sharyn Wright | 21-Aug-2009 01:03 PM |

Unbelievable article written by an irresponsible journalist! No wonder we are facing an obesity epedemic with sceptics like him around. I can vouch that exercise does help to lose weight - one example is a 62 year old client of mine who hasn't been active at all for the past 30 years and over the past 3 months has been exercising 5-6 days a week including weight training. Her weight is dropping, energy levels have soared and her old 'injuries' are slowly disappearing. Why aren't more articles written about the results of 'real' people to encourage others to take up exercise? It is a much safer form of weight loss than fad diets, medication and surgery.

Posted by: Jamie Hayes | 21-Aug-2009 01:11 PM |

If the article is coming from Time magazine, you would have to assume that it reflects the worldview of many readers. Ironically in the same week Scientific American Mind (July/Aug) had a cover story "Fit Body, Fit Mind - One more reason to workout: it makes you smarter. The fitness industry has the collective challenge of selling both the benefits of exercise and specifically the benefits of exercising under the guidance of a fitness pro. At the same time it has to be careful to tell the truth about exercise and its role in weight management. We have attempted to do that at http://www.healthyinspirations.com.au/ebook-8mins/. By the way, at Healthy Inspirations we say to new exercisers that "you don't pay the price (having to exercise) - you enjoy the price (enjoying exercise)". Being fitness evangelists is not enough. We need to empower our members and clients to become evangelists. We also need to be PR gurus in our community to get the positive spin out there. Time wants to sell magazines. We need to be clear what we are selling and then shout from the rooftops.

Posted by: Benjamin Hoffmann | 21-Aug-2009 01:15 PM |

Ah hahahahahahahaha, OMG, you have to exercise AND eat right to lose weight? Who would have though. The author of the mentioned Time article ruins his own argument by saying he goes and pigs out after "exercising" (and I would question his definition of exercising) and then wonders why he can't lose weight? Being present in a gym does not then provide an excuse to lard it up cake boy. Seems everyone is looking for reasons to stay fat rather than face the fact that they actually have to put in some effort and sacrifice to save themselves from a heart attack at 35. "I've tried everything". Balls, try harder cupcake.

Posted by: Emma Kearton | 21-Aug-2009 01:25 PM |

This guy has completely missed the point about nutrition. You can exercise all day if you wanted to, but if you're eating cupcakes/french fries at the end of it then it's a lost battle! I can't believe that there are people out there that think this way! I guess it's our job to change that! I just hope that people don't get sucked into what this guy has written.

Posted by: Helen Quinn | 21-Aug-2009 01:28 PM |

Anybody knows that exercise won't help you lose weight over night and that it will take determination and effort over many months to lose weight there is no quick fix, if their was a quick fix we would not have an obesity problem around the world.
If we exercise we must watch what we eat, because if we don't eat properly we will continue to stay the same, I am a personal trainer and I battle with my weight and when I do battle with it, it's because I don't eat the right things even thrugh I train 4 to 5 times a week either in the gym or swimming.
If you go to America or Canada you'll find that even through people might do a lot of exercise over there, they will also be overweight because of the type of foods they eat. I was recently over there in June this year and I will be honest, a month over there, I put on 4 kilo's and I am still trying to lose that 4 kilo's and tone down, but I know if I do this quickly I'll just put it back on again. We also have to be realistic when we make our goals and our eating plan, we need to plan exercise we know we will stick to, make it similar to our every day tasks, when changing our eating plans, don't do it all at once, change or try one new thing a week and do it gradually so we just make it apart of our every day life style.
We must exercise, cardio to get the heart pumping, resistance and weights to help build and strengthen our muscles and bones and we must remember to eat correctly and be mindful of what we eat. We can allow ourselves to indulge from time to time, but not all the time or your weight will remain the same no matter how much you train.

Posted by: Ben | 21-Aug-2009 01:29 PM |

As a GE instructor who in a former life weighed up to 140kg I can tell you it is not the excercise more the intake and diet that stops you from losing the weight. For many a year I went to the gym spent hours in classes for no or little impact on my size. Change of diet and intake levels and what do you know!!! There is alot of mind games also I think a degree in psychology would help every PT & GE instructor.

Posted by: Janice Jones | 21-Aug-2009 01:33 PM |

I really feel sorry for 'John Cloud' as he has really missed the plot with his article on exercise & weight loss. Exercise & movement to me is like waking up in the morning & without exercise everyday I wouldn't feel ALIVE. Makes the blood pump & sweating cures all those 'head noises'. The weight control that goes with exercise is just an added bonus to me!! When I look around at the obesity amongst us, I thank god that I am addicted to the high of moving often & fast.

Posted by: Scott Sanders | 21-Aug-2009 02:05 PM |

What a good read (both the Time article and the response from Jonathon). I agree with some of the points Mr Cloud is trying to make, however his article is written in such a way that these messages become lost in all the negative comments directed towards exercising. He does make a good point though of highlighting a problem that many people have – and that is their dietary intake. This is a common problem, with many people either being unsure of what is healthy to eat, or having a misconception that they lack the time to eat healthy. Now before you jump on this statement allow me to expand further. The next time you are out take a look at how many fast food outlets are around, especially in shopping centres close to gyms and schools. Now take a look at the marketing we see from these places - just about everywhere now has “tasty low fat” options for breakfast, lunch and dinner. The temptation is there for people to stop in here for a quick snack and order one of these so called "healthy options", thinking they are doing themselves good. Whilst it is easy to sit back and criticise this with our knowledge base, for the average person out there who does not have a degree\fitness experience behind them, they have to use information from the media to make their decisions as to what is good and bad for them. This is why it is important for anyone in the health\fitness industry to inform people of the facts. The best weapon you can arm someone with in the fight against anything is knowledge – the more they know the more they will question what they read and hear from different sources. This is the reason why this article has generated so much interest and debate – if we didn’t have the knowledge about diet and exercise already we wouldn’t be questioning what the author has written. So whilst we will each have our own thoughts about the author, it has presented the opportunity to discuss this further with clients, friends and family to educate more people, so the next time something like this is published they will be the ones questioning the reliability instead of industry professionals.

Posted by: Riddle Australia | 21-Aug-2009 02:07 PM |

WOW!!! After reading the said article, which is backed by all those references to studies and damn statistics that the author quotes, I am not surprised he has come to those ill conceived conclusions. Quite simply - stop eating and you'll loose weight and yes, you don't HAVE to exercise to do it. No mystery. But, that is not what the Fitness industry is about. We are here to have our clients improve cardio, skeletal and musculature structures. It is not just about weight loss. Improving fitness is a conversion process that requires some physical and mental commitment to an overall improved self. People that have a high BMI have got themselves that way by overeating, not by lack of exercise. Change of dietary habits together with prescribed exercise will reduce body fat and improve physical health and appearance. What is the problem here, if you want to loose weight – get your calorie intake below your daily requirements. If you want to get fit, look and feel better, live longer healthier – exercise!

Posted by: Emily | 21-Aug-2009 02:45 PM |

I haven't read the article, but do think that nutrition is more important than exercise in body fat reduction. That is, while both have their place in a fat reduction program, it's much easier to eat calories on than exercise them off (hence the people who can hit the gym for years but with no impact on body shape). I would add this: we have so many sound bytes in the fitness industry that have either not been empirically proven, or which are extrapolated from results in extreme or limited populations. For instance, we claim that through exercise we can increase metabolic rate, reduce the risk of various diseases, etc - but there are studies questioning many of these claims. I think it's important we keep abreast of the research, and not just apply mickey mouse science about the connection between exercise, nutrition and health.

Posted by: Nicole Burnett | 21-Aug-2009 02:45 PM |

The poor man is really quite confused isn't he! Of course exercise alone won't help you loose weight - especially if you go and eat fries straight after a work out! Although the majority of my clients find that they want to eat healthier after a workout because of the way they feel - could it be that the endorphins that are released while exercising are replacing the need to comfort eat? Lifestyles have changed, workplaces have changed, people have stopped moving because the world has demanded it, plus has thrown fast food into the mix. The average person has about 84 waking hours in the week, approximately 40 hours of this is spent sitting behind a computer... I am fairly confident in saying that the remaining 44 hours aren't spent moving.

Posted by: J Middleton | 21-Aug-2009 02:56 PM |

The author contradicts himself making a point that most people don't have the will power to resist the appetite increase from exercising. If they can't handle a little bit of hunger pain post exercise, I'm sure they'll do just great sitting on their lounge eating two celery sticks per day.... However, my hat goes off to him. Before today I've never read a Time magazine article. Controversy definitely sells. Unfortunately, after reading that I wont be reading any more Time magazine articles.

Posted by: Laura | 21-Aug-2009 02:56 PM |

I totally agree with this article and it's criticism of what the Times published. The degredation of "exercise" was very offensive to me. I only hope members of the general public who read it do not feel tempted to shy away from their exercise regimes based on the information in that article!

Posted by: Rod FARDELL | 21-Aug-2009 02:59 PM |

This reaction is perfect. One it sells ( the magazine ) like so many things that aren't true and people love reading about it and how many magazines and books are there out there like this. Secondly it questions beliefs sometimes that we just take for granted because someone else has told us. Fortunately there is enough evidence to back exercise on all levels as a human form we were built to move. There is no doubting that and the consequences of not moving in any shape or form is also very evident. NETWORK congratulations because you have also drove people to your website another very smart and lucrative move to make people aware of you.

Posted by: Helen Quinn | 21-Aug-2009 03:25 PM |

The article is just stating what a everyday lay person would think. It brings us fitness trainers back to reality, the fact that we need to educate people to make them realise. You are what you eat, even if you do exercise.

Posted by: andy gibbons - personal best fitness | 21-Aug-2009 03:47 PM |

A Personal Trainers Response to the Article: The myth about exercise in Time magazine. I think the article provides a thoughtful review of the relationship between fat loss and exercise as is increasingly being understood. Science is best served by a scrupulous examination of all observations and hypotheses, not by a blinkered assumption that we know what is right! The fact that you deride the researchers who quote in the Time article, “In general, for weight loss, exercise is pretty useless!", in the second paragraph of your response without any supporting evidence, means Ryan, that you are as guilty of making the same broad brushstroke statement that you accuse the article of. It appears to me Ryan that you and the fitness industry are doing what members of established societies often do when confronted with a radical new concept: they attack both the message and the messenger. You yourself say that “as fitness professionals we are clearly biased towards the benefits of exercise”. Did you and the other seven respondents actually read the same article that I just did? Or were you all put off by the horror that someone had dared question your belief in the all pervading benefits of exercise? The article actually provides a thoughtful summary of a lot of the results coming from research into diabetes, obesity, nutrition and chronic disease. Currently there is no compelling scientific research that shows you can significantly change body composition with exercise. This is supported by 150 years of scientific literature, by clinicians who actually work with obese individuals, and from such hard core exercisers as the crossfit community. Sure there are lots of reasons to exercise and any personal trainer worth their salt will be able to quickly compile a list of 100 reasons to exercise – the author of the time article has a couple of paragraphs on the benefits of exercise – but change body composition - no!. To change body composition (lose fat and/or gain muscle) you have to bring insulin under control with your nutrition. If you don’t do that no amount or type of exercise will help you lose weight in the long term. Guess what – that’s exactly what the Time article finishes with: “I would reorient toward food and away from exercise” and ‘Its what you eat, not how hard you try to work it off, that matters more in losing weight” The fitness industry would better serve its trainers, and more importantly the clients that come to see those trainers, by providing up to date information back by good science rather than this classic knee jerk reaction. A good place to start would be to read Gary Taubes 2007 book “Good Calories, Bad Calories” and find out what the science actually shows about weight regulation, nutrition and exercise. You might be surprised!

Posted by: Anonymous | 21-Aug-2009 03:49 PM |

the underlying problem is 'education' about food and energy. It has never changed... output > input = weightloss... The 'average Joe' who is trying to get fit, lose weight thinks you can train all you like and eat whatever you want and it will all equal out... unless you have the metabolism of a race horse, sorry... also, generally people are too focused on what they weigh... its only your gravity on the earth.. does not tell you if you are strong, toned etc... people forget if they had 2 women standing side by side in a bikini, 1 size 8 never exercised, eats whatever and 1 size 12 .. who has always watched what they ate, exercised regularly.. I can guarantee the size 12 would look better.. toned, shapely, walking billboard of health.. YOU can have 'skinny fat people'... also, you don't go into a dress shop and ask for a 60 kg dress... our clothes are in measurements... I think a lot of people regard healthy eating and exercise as a "beauty issue'' instead of a mindset of living better... longer

Posted by: Daniel Beveridge | 21-Aug-2009 03:53 PM |

What a world we live in. To have adults making statements like that. What a sorry sorry example we are to our over weight youth. Im afraid Time Magazine - your comments are both jurrasic and laughable. Expenditure vs consumption. Kilijoules in vs kilijoules expended. Its actually factual - daaaaah, are they stupid???? Expend (EXERCISE) more K's than you consume and you lose weight? Its not rocket science.

Posted by: Jessica | 21-Aug-2009 04:26 PM |

This article is a joke! It's encouraging bad habits and it's giving overweight people another excuse to stay overweight, not exercise and keep eating bad foods...because it's just easier. Of course loosing weight and keeping it off is hard work. There wouldn't be a need for Gyms, fitness professionals and nutritionists otherwise. I am so surprised that Time magazine even allowed this to be published. *Shocked!*

Posted by: Emily | 21-Aug-2009 04:35 PM |

Further to my earlier post: I have now had a chance to read the Time article properly, and have to agree 100% with the remarks made by Andy Gibbons. In my opinion, many of the comments on this blog: (1) are testimony to the reluctance many in the fitness industry have to considering new or opposing theories; and (2) misread or take out of context some of the points Cloud was trying to make. My reading was that Cloud is questioning whether vigorous exercise is optimal as a population-wide prescription to encourage weight loss, and has come to the conclusion that it is not. He backs up that argument with reference to many studies and theories about why for some people, formal exercise may have no impact or even cause them to gain weight. As fitness practitioners, should this not be of interest to us? How many participants or clients are we training harder and harder, thinking if only they sweated more they would meet their goals? Could it be that these people would benefit from less formal exercise, and greater encouragement of movement and incidental exercise? I think this research could really help us to develop better programs, which achieve better results - but are we open-minded enough to consider changing?

Posted by: Jessica | 21-Aug-2009 04:38 PM |

I message to Andy Gibbons - personal best fitness I see where you are coming from on this article, you make a really good point. But I don't think a lot of people would perceive it that way because that point is not that clear. There is too much negativity towards exercise in the article which over powers that point. I agree with you wholeheartedly that your food first has to be altered before you body can function at its optimum. So many people out there with allergies, food intolerance's (to name a couple) that can slow the metabolism down. When these problems are addressed then the rest - exercise and eating the right should be easy.

Posted by: Robyn | 21-Aug-2009 04:51 PM |

I too bought the mag. thinking TIME was a pretty reputable mag. Never again. I laughed outloud as I read the article. I am testimony to the fact that exercise definately helps weight loss. I have lost about 16 kg only with the help of a switched on PT. I have a anthletic fit looking body and have keep the weight off for over 2 years!! I look younger, dropped my cholesterol into normal range after a 6.8!! I have the flatest tummy after 3 kids and have gone froma nonexerciser to seasoned triathlete!!! and now a PT!!! If only diet alone could yield these results!!!

Posted by: Stone Gye | 21-Aug-2009 04:56 PM |

The article written by Time magazine was not entirey accurate. However, the comments have caused significant discourse on the subject. It is positive that we engage in conversation especially when it can lead to actions which transform the nature of our health in a positve way.

Posted by: Taku Taylor | 21-Aug-2009 05:18 PM |

I think we have focused too much on the headline and not the essense of the story, It does promote the health benefits of eating less and moving more which is how we should be every day. Is also says that an hour burst in the gym doesnt do as much as incidental exercise did for us prior to modern time saving devices which mean we sit on our asses all day and think that half an hour of exercise now and again is going to help. He advocates everday movement not just structured exercise in gyms. Yes, exercise makes you hungry. Its true. But its not a free ticket to eat everything you lay your eyes on which is the mistake people make all teh time - been there, done that. Its unortunate that everyone will only read that exercise sucks and if it does suck, he needs to try someting different.

Posted by: Shane Philpot, Personal trainer Workout Indooroopilly | 21-Aug-2009 07:11 PM |

I have major concerns with an article that puts the idea into people's minds that you don't need to exercise to loss weight and that having a PT is something that is gruelling and unpleasant. Having been a client of a amazing personal trainer who helped me lost over 50kg (yes it was done with diet but also exercise!) and also showed me what a difference one person can make TO others lives that I became a personal trainer. We have the chance to improve people's lives everyday and that is what makes it so wonderful. We would all agree that exercise alone is a very hard way to lose weight so yes we do need to control the calorie intake but without exercise you don't get all the other bonuses that come from exercise. A strong body makes for a strong mind and with that you have the power to make the changes to your life to acheive what you want.

Posted by: Amy J | 21-Aug-2009 09:31 PM |

It is so disappointing and frustrating to read articles such as this that creates a negative picture with the general public. Any fitness professional will agree that exercise combined with a nutritional diet helps with weight loss. I am amazed at the blatant claims in the article in a highly esteemed magazine as times. I wonder who the American researchers are that is quoted in the articles? As PT, Group Fitness professionals we inspire, motivate people and create life changing experiences. Exercise is without a doubt a extremely important aspect of anyone life.

Posted by: Donna Hutchinson | 21-Aug-2009 11:17 PM |

The recipe for weight loss is a complex subject to tackle. There's no one right way to secure a permanent loss but often a combined approach of solid nutrition, exercise, mental focus, hormonal balance and chemistry. What works for one individual will almost certainly be different for someone else. Can someone lose weight without exercising, sure? Can this same individual lose weight with exercise alone while still eating junk food, hard to say but not likely. But why are we focussing on weight loss alone? The bottom line is that the body is meant to move so we should move it and fuel it properly. Articles such as this just make it harder for fitness professionals to do their job. Now there's going to be people raising their hands up and saying "see I told you I don't need to exercise". The article fuels the fire for the non-exercise to say they don't need too when clearly they do. I enjoy a good cookie and yes even a chocolate bar from time to time. I've even used exercise to justify the fact that I was about to eat a high calorie, high sugar, low nutrient value food. Here's the kicker, I don't have a weight problem, I eat well 90% of the time and I get and hour of exercise on most days. My body can handle a treat from time to time. However, this isn't the case for the majority of the population who eat well only 20% of the time, don't exercise, have sky high stress levels, carry extra weight and are prone to disease due to an unhealthy lifestyle. In summary, all I can say is that I'm speechless to understand Mr. Clouds' position on exercise. However, as an industry I'm glad that it's disturbed enough of you to want to comment. We need to raise our professional credibility and counter any negative claims, images or stereotypes associated with our profession. I commend all of you for taking the time to comment.

Posted by: Allison McMaster | 22-Aug-2009 04:27 PM |

Obviously TIME isn't selling many mags these days. Of course they are writing this rubbish because their readership is dropping. The people who read TIME- are meant to have a little bit of intellect. I can't wait to hear the feed-back the article gets from TIME readers themselves.

Posted by: Anonymous | 22-Aug-2009 09:42 PM |

Thinking outside the box here is another perspective. What was the agenda of the writer when this article was written? I know for a fact that certain individuals write in a certain manner to push their own agenda and/or axe to grind and/or to deceive the public in general. The content being based on truth with a good dose of inaccuracy.

Posted by: Anonymous | 23-Aug-2009 02:53 PM |

One of my clients actually gave me this article to read last week and I found it really interesting and it could have been a really informative article had it been a little better written. I think the point that Cloud is trying to make is that if you are going to the gym in an effort to lose weight and are not seeing results, maybe you should also take a look at the type of food or how much food you are eating and stop 'treating' yourself with unhealthy foods on the way home. And if you don't like exercising vigorously at the gym for an hour a day, why not just try to increase the amount of incidental exercise that you are doing. He does mention a few times some of the health benefits of exercise, so he's obviously not totally anti-exercise. I guess, like many others out there, he just feels a little jaded that in order to sell memberships many gyms market the weight loss benefits that can come from regular exercise without educating their clients with sound nutritional advice. Hopefully as PTs we are giving a more personal service and ensuring that our clients are informed that if you want to lose weight yes you should eat healthily and may be a little hungry sometimes. This article is obviously aimed at overweight people who don't enjoy exercising and he's offering them a valid alternative way to lose weight - increase incidental exercise and eat more healthily. It's a shame that this point wasn't made more clearly and that he didn't go a little further by providing some sound nutritional advice or references to where people can go to get this advice. Many obese people find it very challenging or even painful to exercise, so losing weight through diet and more movement throughout the day is a much more realistic approach for these people.

Posted by: Adrian Woods | 23-Aug-2009 07:58 PM |

Many fitness professionals wil tell you its all about 'burning calories' in the gym. This is crap ( just consider how many Ks on the treadmill are required to 'burn' 2 or 3 Tim-Tams). Diet, and particularly the way it effects one's hormones (most notably insulin) is the key to weight loss. And by the way, fitness trainers should concentrate on fitness ( strength, speed, endurance etc.) and not on weight loss- skinny is just skinny.

Posted by: Anonymous | 23-Aug-2009 09:06 PM |

I think if everyone took the time to read the article properly it actually makes sense. Its not that the author was saying dont exercise and you will loose weight. The point he was attempting to make was dont exercise like you are possessed, just move more and more often and you are more likely to be able to control what you eat. Also exercising to "keep fit" and exercising to "loose weight" are 2 very different animals. Maybe a few more so called fitness professionals and personal trainers could actually listen and learn a thing or 2. In the end doing what meets the clients goals and not what they themselves like doing is what matters.

Posted by: Michelle | 23-Aug-2009 10:17 PM |

Finally an article to make some of the PT's in our world come back to reality! this was written by a person that actually spends time and money to see one of us! This should be a big wake up call to all exercise professionals - we are in the perfect place to guide our clients thru the mine-field of "health & fitness" but in terms of what it REALLY means to our everyday client - NOT another Fitness professional. Promotion of health activity, understanding food energy better and support for our clients. Come on guys, we know this stuff and we should be doing a better job of getting it thru to our clients - even if it is one client at a time! If we already are, then we have our work cut out for us as there are more and more people in need of our knowledge....

Posted by: lizzie | 24-Aug-2009 08:39 AM |

Health is a major concern and improving fitness levels is undoubtedly going to improve your health, and this should be the number one priority, followed by a weight loss in clients. Obesity has been termed one of the biggest risks of cancer according to the Australian Cancer Council so we should be encouraging all types of people to exercise, and to relish the exercise challenge....of (may I say --only temporary) blood sweat and tears ......and come out a better person. Surely we can't forget that you can't put a price on YOUR health. Everybody knows how important thier health is, it's just some choose not do do anything about it (hey Y'ALL maybe this reporter wants an excuse to stop getting healtheir!!??) . Despite the NO BRAINER choice, we should be encouraging clients to stay on top of what they are more than capable of achieving in terms of their fitness and life.

Posted by: Lloyd Shaw | 24-Aug-2009 02:49 PM |

What gets me is even in today's "educated" world people still get people hooked up to CO2 tests to try and find out how many calories they expend during some forms of exercise. So far there is no known way of testing how many calories are consumed in Resistance Training / Vibration Training / Sprinting etc.. Is this done so some " academics " can pretend to look useful, because it serves no scientific purpose I know of. The whole article was like reading something from someone who is uneducated and overweight and happy to stay that way.

Posted by: Kev | 24-Aug-2009 04:05 PM |

It is "lose" weight, not loose weight, you twits.

Posted by: L Widdup | 24-Aug-2009 04:10 PM |

As a fitness professional and mother to 2 young boys (aged 1 and 2) I strongly believe exercise and nutrition play a huge role in weight loss and maintaining a healthy weight. The big problem here is people who eat foods with no nutritional value (high in fat, salt and sugar) and expect small amounts of moderate to high intensity exercise to result in weight loss. A lifestyle change is needed - a focus on both nutrition and exercise. Cut out the diets and make changes that are to be continued for LIFE! If someone doesn't like going to the gym then they should find activities that they do enjoy and do them more often. Not everyone finds exercise to be a chore - I go walking most days with my young boys, even in the rain, and we all love it. I do prefer higher intensity exercise but for now it has helped me back to my pre-children weight and has helped to maintain my fitness even when I don't have time for a structured exercise program. I must say here that I do not eat junk food so although I eat more when exercising it isn't a huge problem. I view exercise as a very important part of my life and want to pass the enjoyable experiences onto my children - along with education about healthy eating.

Posted by: Marder Claire | 25-Aug-2009 04:58 AM |

The articale published in the Times magazine is an outrage, to say the least! From 5am in the morning until 7pm everyday, I am educating people and training people how to exercise and eat healthily. After studying 4yrs at university and studying the human anatomy and physilology, one would hope that you have enough knowledge to have such a career. Personal training and anything related to healthy and well-being is the most needed industry in this world, because of articles of absolute rubish that people write about. Exercise is hard work, and even harder is losing weight that has taken years to pile on, but these people will see benefits if they stick to a healthy eating plan and have the right exercise program. Artcles like this should be banned from publishing! More so, the author should be fired for producing such crap. Totally disapointed in the Time for allowing this article.

Posted by: Oliver Kitchingman | 25-Aug-2009 11:51 AM |

Oliver is the editor for Australian Fitness Network.

Here’s an interesting rundown of Time’s various ridiculous scaremongering/ circulation-chasing stories of the past few decades. Time may be shedding readers, but as this link shows, the latest fitness/fatness piece is not the first controversy-seeking piece they have written…

http://www.reason.com/news/show/134038.html

Posted by: Anonymous | 25-Aug-2009 07:59 PM |

The fact that the author, John Cloud, starts talking about exercising to "turn fat into muscle" a few paragraphs in to this biased and ridiculous article should make him lose all credibility with anyone, I would think!

Posted by: Mr. Fitness | 26-Aug-2009 07:59 AM |

What do you expect from a Magazine looking to sell advertising to drug companys like Merck (see Vytorin ad in same issue page 15). A nice story outlining how useless exercise is goes a long way to improving Merck's bottom line. Look, here's the deal, if all you want to do is lose weight it's simple STOP EATING. You'll lose a lot of weight real quick and you'll be real skinny, and then you'll die, but who cares, as long as your skinny right? Now if your goal is to improve your health, lower your blood pressure, decrease stress levels, improve mood, fight depression, sleep better at night, get off all your prescription medication, prevent Diabetes, remain strong and independent long into old age, and have a better overall quatlity of life, then keep exercising. Every organ in your body was designed to perform a function that will enable your body to keep moving in its quest for nutrition, stop moving and you give those organs no reason to exist. essentially, you let your internal organs down when you refuse to move, so don't be surprised if they let you down in return. Weight loss is one small side effect of exercise. You should Exercise because it makes you feel better and it gives your body a reason to exist, not because you want to be skinny. If your extreme vanity only cares about the weight loss effects of exercise, save yourself some time and money and move to Ethiopia, there's no overweight people there either.

Posted by: Uno Riis-Olesen | 26-Aug-2009 02:36 PM |

It is very well known that hard yakka exercise increases your hunger (appetite), we only have to visit real life people who make their living on exercise, Body Builders, powerlifters, Olympic lifters, footballers, gymnastics and the list goes on, it is also well known "if someone would bother to ask" that if theise proffessional athletes lived in JUNK foods there is no way they would ever have made it to be a top athlete. I am very shocked that any one person has the GUTS to print such nonsense in a world wide magazine like TIME moreover the shck is even hgher when the editor of the magazine approved this RUBBISH.

Posted by: Jillian Tunbridge | 26-Aug-2009 09:42 PM |

I love the exercise I do which is poledancing. It promotes having SO much fun and also feeling sexy while working out and getting fit and healthy. Combining this with healthy eating I have gone down two dress sizes in a matter of months. This without starving myself or completeley avoiding treats.

Posted by: Saghar Zonouzi | 29-Aug-2009 11:05 PM |

Well, as things are not just black or white and everything in moderation and moderation in everything works, I agree that keep being active most of the day (In any possible way) instead of just spending one or two hours a day on some days of the week and dividing the meals moderately during the day instead of having a whole meal at once will lead a better way to lose fat! I also agree that having fun during work out ( Like taking part in Lesmills group esercises) will lead to a better result for loosing fat instead of making the body exhusted by putting too much stress on the muscles.

Posted by: Jesse W | 31-Aug-2009 08:46 PM |

I don't know where the facts for this article came from but they are totally incorrect. You basically just need to burn more than you put in (simple equation). I usually eat what i want on the weekends, the only catch is i have to excercise 3 hours a day on weekdays. When i get under 5% body fat I drop down to an hour a day (it's a simple principal even cars run on). I started up the extra exercise a month ago recently and have lost 7kg (not hard if you put in the effort)

Posted by: Ramsey Macdonald | 07-Sep-2009 03:04 AM |

Cloud seems to be writing from an everyman perspective, using literary techniques to vilify exercise and use the fact that it increases your hunger as a scapegoat for his post workout junk binge. He does cite some research in the fields of obesity and diabetes that have shown that exercise is not mandatory for weightloss with respect to the subjects tested. Not being an endocrinologist, i have no actual proof, but one would have to think that, given obesity is now classified as a disease, (as well as diabetes) that there might be a reason that exercise is ineffective for these people. As a fitness professional or even a gym junkie, you know that exercise provides a release of chemicals that make you feel good, these then go on to affect other chemical reactions in the body that allow for the physiological adaptations to exercise. Take a step back and note that people with diabetes and obesity have not got properly functioning hormonal responses and voila, there is the problem with exercise, if you are insulin resistant your blood sugar is going to be abnormal and exercise may or may not help it, people with type two diabetes seem to have a good reaction, in regards to insulin sensitivity, when they exercise. Yet if these people are 'diseased' you get thee impression that everything isn't going to be working properly, that may have some impact on the ability of exercise to affect them, maybe Cloud should go and have a blood sugar test done, given that he has a gut that overhangs his bel and that abdominal fat is the LEADING indicator of a possible health problem it might be worthwhile. To lose weight, one needs to have a negative energy balance, this is true, but if this causes your blood sugar to fluctuate too rapidly it will wreak havoc with your hormones and you body goes into starvation mode and starts going scrooge on your bodyfat reserves. A maintained negative energy balance, one that does not severely drop calories, maintained over a longer period of time will eventuate in a significant drop in bodyfat. To say that exercise is not necessary for weightloss is a fallacy, that would never stand up to professional scrutiny, as exercise can be defined as any activity in which the body is not at rest. So a negative energy balance can be acheived by eating hte same calories but increasing the energy output, that way you don't have to starve yourself. The other problem, which everyone else has touched on for the most part, is that what you eat is 90% of the problem, your body makes all of your hormones from the macro and micronutrients we get from our food. Proteins to repair and build cell stuctures, carbohydrates to provide an enegy source for our cells to function and fats to provide cholesterols and triglycerides for cellular membranes, neurotransmitters, hormones and a host of other vital functions. The consumtion of nutrient poor calories in the highly processed foods that we eat are largely to blame for these diseases. Unfortunately there are large fortunes built on the supply of the masses with cheap and convenient foods, especially ones that taste good or are highly satisfying, as most fatty foods are upon ingestion. The obesity pandemic that is suffocating the world one blubbery roll at a time is something that needs to be addressed and not quarrelled over in media and magazines, the aethetics of glamour nad fame are retracting from the purpose of it all, quality of life, looking good generally follows if you feel good and a healthy lifestyle is going to wonders for that. To put it plainly, have you ever seen an obese sprinter, marathon runner, cyclist or other athlete? No, you don't, so i'd be putting my money on the bet that exercise, whether intense weightlifting or a 30 minute walk, is going to contribute to weightloss and overall wellbeing, especially if you are eating healthy.

Posted by: Anonymous | 17-Sep-2009 03:14 PM |

The best way to loose weight is to become addicted to nicotine to suppress your appetite and get your calories from alcohol, which also suppresses your appetite. Is it healthy? NO. Do you feel good? Yeah, as long as you’re not trying to walk up a flight of stairs or just exist in a normal world. Live fast, die young. Shame about your kids being orphans though. My husband and I were competitive kayakers for a few years. The funny thing was that after an event, I craved popcorn, he craved KFC. The thing is, it was a once a month event, so it didn’t matter if he pigged out on something unhealthy. I think we have made fat loss too complicated. Just take out all the processed foods from your diet, minimise meat and eat a huge variety of fruit and vegies a day…not servings just try to eat 15 different types a day. As for exercising being hard work -- I think he needs a new personal trainer. Exercise should be fun. Why would anyone want to do something they don’t enjoy for a long period.

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Posted by: Anonymous | 04-Jun-2009 06:32 AM |

Hi Steve,
Good to read positive stuff about the vibration training.I was at first a bit sceptic being a personal trainer (you know what we are like) and even having a bad experience trying it out, I have been working with it for two years now intensively (We at vibragym work one on one with the clients)A lot of people use because it is short and intense, but I worked with quite a few people of which one was told she could not walk again after being paralized.She started just having her feet on the plate for months, after persevering she started to come in with a walker instead of a wheelchair.
Myself, (by the way I am 64,) if I do RPM and have not used the vibration for a couple of days my legs get quite tired during class.
Anyway I would love to learn more about vibration training for rehab as such.
Warm regards
Dineke Kleyn, FC Vibragym, Whangaparaoa,New Zealand.
P.S.The machines I work with are the only medical certified at the moment.

Posted by: Di Heap | 04-Jun-2009 06:59 AM |

A dedicated site with articles (lots of info) and comments. You can also get all your questions answered (Note: the site does NOT sell anything)
www.vibrationtraining.net

Posted by: Robinson Australia | 04-Jun-2009 07:31 AM |

I have a client who required knee surgery so cardio training was impossible for her. After using my vibration technology she lost a few kilos in a few weeks, and it definitely wasn't because of her diet! So put it down to the vibration techniques.

Posted by: Anonymous | 04-Jun-2009 10:27 AM |

Have made vibration training available to members as an added value, however they were rarely used as most feel they get more out of functional exercise. We also have a large rehab based membership, along with Physio's, who never use these platforms. Have noticed that the vibration training studio continually move to smaller and smaller premises - so are not doing very well. All in all vibration platforms very over rated.

Posted by: David Driscoll | 04-Jun-2009 10:56 AM |

Could we have a reference for this quote please "This process also uses up to 100 per cent of a muscle’s fibre, "
The reason we have science is because people's anecdotal stories aren't reliable as evidence. Just read what the majority of papers say, vibration training has its place but the claims made by most people selling and promoting it (like this article appears to be) are massively exaggerated.
I predict this will mostly be another trend trainers will move on from in a few years; to the next pseudo-scientific gimmick.

Posted by: Sean | 04-Jun-2009 11:31 AM |

Vibration training is a fad, a rip off. It is snake oil of the lowest order. It lacks any credible research back up and has no physiological rationale behind it whatsoever.
Its success is entirely because it is easily marketable - both clients and wanna-be trainers can be produced en masse thanks to bogus certification programs and cheesy marketing - all working towards the ultimate goal of making the people who manufacture these contraptions a large amount of money.
Compare this with say kettle bell training - incredibly effective but nowhere near as successful in the fitness market - why? Because it requires a lot of knowledge to coach effectively and safely - and because its bloody hard work, therefore unsuitable for silly ads showing slim ladies mid exercise smiling happily like they are on drugs or something.

Posted by: Nick | 04-Jun-2009 11:31 AM |

Vibration training is not the future of training and has very little use in anything beyond rehabilitation work or massage.

Posted by: Jamie | 04-Jun-2009 11:39 AM |

I believe it is pointless as it is limited (new fitness frontier lol). If a larger plate were to be made say 6m by 6m there would be some benefits as variety from your normal work outs as whole work outs/routines could be done on this larger vibrating plate.
Although all of these new gadgets and thingamabobs are just so people can get rich as there is nothing like old fashioned hard work and sweat. TTFU which is short for Toughen The F&*% Up (excuse the language) we are all looking for the quick way (including myself on occasion) out, around and through the obvious, which is TTFU do the hard work get the pain, common sense with food and you will be rewarded with results.
I believe any activity if it gets people off their bums is good so to contradict myself if all these gadgets helps people to get up and move great but I do believe people do get ripped off with most of these things quite regularly which gives us all a bad name and makes me sad .

Posted by: Cunningham Australia | 04-Jun-2009 01:05 PM |

First heard about vibration in late 90's' used extensively in Europe and was part of the Russian space program long before it was a fad! Fair amount of data regarding bone density is also available. chill out guys, the world is already an angry place do some yoga?

Posted by: Sharyn | 04-Jun-2009 02:13 PM |

Looks like more for abs and upper body - what about glutes and hammies / quads ?

Posted by: Chris | 04-Jun-2009 02:14 PM |

Hi, Reminds me of the old vibrating belt that was supposed to remove fat from your hips. I didn't fall for it then and I feel skeptical now. If this works then how do we test the results, if any. I think we tend to jump to doing what's easy and not do what is necessary and that's moving and making the body work efficiently and functionally. I would like to know how a vibration can do any of the things mentioned. There are so many trendy things out there, the public go and buy these things and they never get used. I wonder if my massager at home would achieve the same result. No sounds like one of the many things that make people spend more money when our motivation should be basic fitness and well being. I will stick to what I know works and not what is trendy I think.

Posted by: Anonymous | 04-Jun-2009 02:59 PM |

Have been using a power plate machine for around 4 months in an attempt to lose weight and tone muscle in problem areas like thighs and stomach. I found a pilates studio nearby that offered vibration training and signed up - despite the negative connotations that come with a fitness 'fad,' I've found that not only have I lost cm from my thighs and stomach, it has improved my strength as well. It's inspired me to take a better interest in my health and well being especially now I have had an increase in confidence from using the power plate. I did some research on the machine not too long ago and also found a study in the UK that was released showing that power plates assist in weight loss.
Despite the skeptics, I'm a convert. It may be the 'trendy' exercise regime but it sure works for me.

Posted by: Dean Jolly | 05-Jun-2009 06:07 AM |

Chris Cunniham is correct, Eastern block found use for it, BUT definitely NOT as a tool for all the claims being made, nor would anyone who actually uses common sense in their understanding of physiology favour it over self enhancement application. SAID principle.
Still it's there as part of the learning process, and usually they lead on to discovering more about self-applied action, I mean what else does one do when they cant get relief for shoulder issue from local knowledge, then some how vibration helped.
I get it, BUT there is more applied science available, most in industry just don't know it.

Posted by: | 05-Jun-2009 08:30 AM |

There are now over 100 published research articles on the proven benefits of Whole Body Vibration (WBV).
In this months issue of Womens Health p13 Michelle Bridges comments on vibration training as the future of fitness.
When I visited the UK last July I was staggered at the results my friends had achieved using WBV and subsequently set up a studio last Sept running classes on the machines or one on one.
I have been overwhelmed by the huge benefits my clients have achieved in joint mobility, pain relief, balance and co-ordination in the elderly , sustained weight loss and toning particularly with females (yes, you can get into those inner thighs!) right through to core strengthening and improvements in sports performance for athletes.
Yes there are some machines out there that are gimmicks or toys and some just suited to vibrational therapy. You need a machine that will get to 26Hz which is the maximum number of times your muscles can contract and relax in one second.
For those skeptics out there near the Eastern Suburbs in Sydney come and visit me and I'll give you a free punishing workout that you'll feel for days, oh, and you'll sweat too!

Posted by: Ed | 05-Jun-2009 09:21 AM |

Have look at the 'Research Review' article by Dr Mike Climstein in the Spring 2007 issue of Network magazine (go to the Publications tab at the top of this page and select Network magazine). Mike evaluates a study entitled ‘‘Influence of Vibration Training on Energy Expenditure in Active Men’ and, although questioning some manufacturers’ unsubstantiated claims, he also directs readers to check out research studies that have been conducted with regard to whole body vibration exercise and their specific areas of interest online at the ncbi website.

Posted by: Di Heap | 05-Jun-2009 09:36 AM |

I'm a registered fitness consultant working as a Vibration Training Instructor at Vibra-Train's Auckland City Studio.
All are welcome for a free first session. Be prepared to work-out very hard. On our high force, lineal, purpose designed Vibration TRAINING machines this is not easy, s*xy, soppy exercise for the lazy! I can guarantee you pain and can, in one session, prove to doubters that Vibration Training on Real Machines is a great addition to your fitness regime.
The above commenter said that machines must get to 26Hz. This is when using Pivotal Vibration machines for fitness training. It is essential to differentiate between that and High Energy Lineal Machines where 43Hz is the premium for Work-Out although frequency is only one factor in the design equation.
I encourage all fitness professionals to learn all they can about Vibration Training. It's a training method that's here to stay. Scientific studies are now providing the evidence to back up what Users already know.

Posted by: Di Heap | 05-Jun-2009 10:11 AM |

There is a HUGE difference between Vibration TRAINING and Vibration THERAPY. That's the big problem with the this article. It's good to stimulate discussion but the writer is a seller of a handheld vibrating device - which is NOT Vibration Training at all. They are either very uneducated or simply marketing to Not make the distinction. (After reading the article several times I have to comment on this). This is the worst sort of marketing for this industry as it adds to confusion for the general public rather than educating.

Posted by: Di Heap | 05-Jun-2009 11:50 AM |

Quote from above: "For those skeptics out there near the Eastern Suburbs in Sydney come and visit me and I'll give you a free punishing workout that you'll feel for days, oh, and you'll sweat too! "
Again, I'm going to point out that this quote is from someone who has a Studio that provides Vibration TRAINING using Premium Speed Pivotal Machines. This type of Vibration Training, using a machine that has a see-saw action, involves both static and dynamic poses on the machine. It's hard work (I have tried it) and I ached the next day similar to after a weights work-out at the gym.
The other Premium category of Vibration Machine is the High Energy Lineal (Upright Vibration only) platform. Positions on this machine are usually static (non moving). The user feels intense burn (pain like pressure) in the targeted muscles during the 60/120 second poses but most do not feel any "after exercise ache" the next day.
Physicians tell us that aching and pain is a warning mechanism, it's existence tells us NOT to repeat the action that caused it yet we expect to feel it after exercise! We justify this because of the micro-tear in muscle fibres to promote growth process. In my job I really enjoy vibration training body builders - those who go hard in the weights room. They get a workout that compliments their program and no added after-pain. Pain felt after a lineal vibration training session is usually because the person was outside of perfect position on the machine, or had a pre-existing injury that I was disturbed (not a major as ongoing training or vibration therapy will help with healing). Of course there are many different brands of machines, some very good, but others give high frequency uncontrolled vibration that goes up/down, left/right, back/forward - quite severely pushing/pulling the user in many directions at once. Still other "as seen on tv" contraptions are usually so low force that they neither hurt nor help for training and can sometimes be useful for gentle therapy/rehab purposes. Marketing these machines as Vibration Training is a big stretch and results in the type of comments people have written above - fad etc.

Posted by: Lloyd Shaw | 05-Jun-2009 12:35 PM |

This type of article is highly misleading and is at the very essence of why others in the fitness industry think Vibration Training is a crock.
Here are some major facts to consider...
(a) Just because it moves and elicits a response that does not make it Vibration Training. That's like saying horse riding is Vibration Training and the horse is the device ?
Light Vibration = Vibration Therapy ( released approx. 1870 ) Never shown potential to build muscle or burn fat. But fantastic Physio values.
Flexi-Bar / Wobble boards or any other device that elicits this response through Gravity , Body weight or your own exertion = Involuntary Reflex Training. True it elicits close to 100% stimulation, but that does not equate to training. Without the pressure in the movement no anabolic activity can take place. ( been around forever )
Heavy Mechanical Vibration + Working directly against gravity in given pose = Vibration Training ( new )
Health professionals / Marketers etc.. only out to make a buck deliberately blur the line between these technologies, attach the catchphrase "Vibration Training" to it in an unethical bid to confuse the consumer.
They are the enemy of our industry and the consumer.
Why can I say this with such conviction?
Because I was Power Plates Product Manager and only got involved with this technology through my mortuary work ( don't ask ) I left when they deliberately decided to blur the lines all in the name of profit and go from a small steel machine with dense mass which showed promise ( now the Vibro-Gym ) to a plastic low mass machine from China ( much cheaper to build ). Right at a point when we were getting close to moving forward into better designs, we were sold out and they went backwards 40 years. The industry has suffered ever since.
All previous machines had massive limitations both in design, size, max weight ( could not take obese people ) and results that could be obtained But it was a beginning.
Note: Power Plate had previously trademarked "Vibration Therapy" but we were working towards a "Training" system. I originally wanted to set up studios called Vibra-Train that carried the newer larger commercial Power Plates I had designed and hoped they would build. We were obviously not going in the same direction so I set up Vibra-Train with the original steel Power Plates, Vibro-Gyms and Body-Shakers to continue my research into commercial training machines.
I have since continued to support companies like Vibro-Gym , Body-Shaker, Fit-Vibe , Galileo, Hyper-Gravity , Hyper-Vibe , WaveExercise and other companies doing their best to move forward while being as close to honest as you can ask from any company. Not being involved in the retail market has allowed me to be unbiased and write numerous articles for vibrationtraining.net , in theory , training and consumer protection.
It is this simple folks...
Anyone saying that all 250 brands on the market, no matter how they are designed or built , all do the same thing, are not being up front and honest.
I have personally designed 25 machines, and they do not do the same thing, or why would I bother ?
My best advice, try before you buy, do NOT listen to the marketing, and be skeptical of everything you hear. Even those trainers out there who do not get it, be "old school" but not "ignorant" ( there is a difference ). At least test a proper training unit before you make a decision as to weather this science has merit of not.

Posted by: Lloyd Shaw | 05-Jun-2009 01:10 PM |

And in case anyone thinks I am being to hard on the Flexi-Bar guy, go and read his history page. Only ever used and shown results on rehab . In their own words it is just a cheaper version of a popular Physiotherapy tool. No leap forward in design or function.
Versions of this has been around for centuries in Asia where they used bamboo poles. But all of a sudden it has a new name. Vibration Training.

Posted by: Di Heap | 05-Jun-2009 01:25 PM |

A question for Dineke Kleyn-Langeveld, VibroGym. As I am involved in this industry I like to know where other studios are located. I understood that Maxe Jansens Studio had closed. Have you taken it over? It would be good to meet you.

Posted by: Kylie Morrison | 05-Jun-2009 09:40 PM |

After researching vibration training for almost 18 months I took a leap of faith and purchased a Power Plate for my home studio. I use it primarily to enhance functional movement patterns and increase intensity in Pilates based exercise. For the cynics who think it is a fad with no credibility I suggest you start reading the research. My clients also love the feeling of being invigorated after they exercise rather than simply exhausted. Anything that increases adherence to exercise, decreases stress hormone response, and assists in increasing bone density, lean muscle mass and circulatory response in otherwise sedentary populations, for me, is worth it's weight in gold!

Posted by: Steph | 05-Jun-2009 10:23 PM |

All I have to say is the Flexi-Bar is a fantastic tool. I do use in my studio at this present moment on the Gold Coast and of course just like anything else, there are the people who love it and there are the people who hate it. Basically the people who "hate it", are people with poor coordination and basically impatience. It takes time for some people to grasp the connection between the body and the bar. Sure fighting isn't going to help. Once you got it, you can take to a higher level and that's when it becomes more of a workout. It's for sure a great tool to add to a Pilates/ Yoga classes or to a PT session.
Another toy to add to the collection and great with swiss ball, and Bosu balance work!
To make a full Flexi-bar class you basically you need to combine with squats, push up, core and balance work.
And of course do not forget how great is for rehab work!
One more point: 100 times better than the Bodyblade.

Posted by: Jay Bonaretti | 06-Jun-2009 08:47 AM |

Unfortunately, whilst there may be some research out there to back up the effectiveness of this for rehabilitation purposes, there is a lot of misinformation floating around the industry to suggest that it is an effective tool for weight loss.
I published a comprehensive review of the currently available research of this technology in regards to weight loss where I also considered some of the highly misleading advertising that is currently being aired:
http://www.aminoz.com.au/vibration-machines-a-255.html

Posted by: Lloyd Shaw | 06-Jun-2009 05:15 PM |

Jay.........
You did a review on weight loss studies done on rehab machines. What is exactly your point , that you have just figured out they would fail
? That was predicted in 2004 and already written about extensively over the last 5 years and quite a few people have worked hard to expose it.
Doing some homework and at least some legwork, plus testing multiple products, both old and new, and then commenting might have given you a better understanding of what a massive subject you were writing about. Not just sit behind a desk and "read some stuff".
This is exactly the kind of slack research marketers rely on to rip off the public, just in some strange reverse.
Read this....
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20090511/can-vibration-plates-shake-off-weight?ecd=wnl_lbt_051309&em=Z2xld2lzQGNsZWF
So not all studies have shown no promise, and instruction and better machinery is coming all the time. You could have at least mentioned part of that.
I understand everyone's concern over allot of the lies out there, and an overview of the industry is always welcome, but to not understand how technology develops, and the hurdles it faces , makes it look like you don't appreciate how everything you take for granted get perfected.
Nothing you use in the gym as "traditional" methods of exercise was perfected or even understood straight away. Joseph Pilates developed his system in 1910, he died in 1967 with no one knowing who he was.
It was not till the early 90s that Doctors cleared people to do weight training, up till that point most thought it would damage your joints.
I can bet your Grandparents did very little " traditional " exercise their entire life. It just a catchphrase trainers like to use for " nothing I don't understand ".
Our Industries Eg progression .......
1875 > Steam powered Vibrational Therapy devices used in the medical and gymnastic industry, Dr Gustav Zander put up centers across Europe and the U.S. Dr George Taylor and J.H. Kellogg was his competition in the U.S. . Their main focus was simple stimulation. Mainly blood flow. The entire gym system , with exer-cycles , indoor rowers, etc.. ( all which were ridiculed by athletes at the time ) collapsed due to the war and following depression.
Vibro-Therapy was used quite a bit in rehab centers across Europe after WW1. were a James, Alexander Alexandrovich also researched it help with Asthma and other disorders.
But generally it was sold as a cure all for everything including tumors by dodgy salesmen. (These people probably sell cheap machines on E-Bay now).
1960 > Hyper-Gravity loading principles applied to various space programs. Evidence of some sporting scientist/coaches looking at potential for athletes.
1995 > Commercial interest in products , but due to lack of exact science , marketing hype outdoes potential of existing units.
2004 > New era of “exact function” education into Training and design begins.
It still has a long way to prove itself, maybe 50 good honest , well thought out studies by researchers not so grant hungry they take anything that moves , and we might convince some people.
In the mean time giving a more balanced view based on reading AND experience might protect the consumer a little better. Education = protection.

Posted by: Gavin Aquilina | 11-Jun-2009 10:38 AM |

At the ACSM conference in Seattle 2 weeks ago, there was a detailed review of research.
Findings, there are 3 primary different types of machines, there is much research out there and these are done utilising mixed protocols (many flawed) and varied objectives. At present there is not multiple research supporting each other.
The major outcomes from the presenters were:
Yes, vibration training does achieve increase and maintenance of bone density.
Yes, vibration training does increase muscle activation.
To achieve these two outcomes you require different training protocols.
The vibration frequency that provides safe and effective training is 30Hz.
The studies demonstrated that results are achieved by those who are de-conditioned but there are very limited benefits to be gained by conditioned and athletes.
One of the summaries was that you can gain great results (for both bone density and muscle activation) by performing activities without the vibration plate and that the vibration plate may ehance this. Vibration plate without these activities does not achieve the same results.
There was a presentation by a lady from the US International Organization for Standardization. She questioned the safety of vibration training as per US ISO 2631 (google this), admittedly this is exposure to vibration frequencies for prolonged periods as per work place environments but she bought about some very pertinent points questioning safety aspects, some of these:
- Avoid sitting on the vibration plate and performing activities
- Work place vibration resulted in vascular remodeling of arteries resulting in a thickening of the lumen and vessel diameter decreasing
- Standing on the plate dampens some of the negative aspects of force transfer
There was a review of approximately 60 - 70 research papers, many with flawed protocols and small study populations. Areas that the research was summarized into were:
Bone density - Positive
Muscle activation - Positive
Hormonal responses - Mixed research no support
VO2 and energy expenditure - Improvements for obese
Body fat - Non significant
Back pain - No difference between whole body vibration and core conditioning exercises
A final comment, people are using very subjective reasons for supporting vibration training, for those who indicate decreases in body fat, have you worked out whether the vibration training is a catalyst for other lifestyle modifications, if these same people did the same exercises and nutrition modifications without vibration training would they have achieved the same outcome. You see the same false positive association with people taking supplements and training, they believe the supplements achieve the results but as we know the supplements by themselves would achieve very limited results.
For bone mineral density and muscle activation for the elderly and de-conditioned there is strong support as long as you use the correct training protocols.
A good recent study:
Jnl of Strength and Conditioning Wilcock 23(2) 593 - 603, 2009

Excellent comment Gavin - Network

Posted by: Lloyd Shaw | 12-Jun-2009 12:58 PM |

There may be a small number of basic types of platforms but hundreds of variations can be made to effect different responses. And the "30hz is the best" only came from the "longest stretch reflex" according to EMG tests, which in no way means its the best. They have even failed to come up with a theory on why it would be best let alone prove it.
Something to think about...
The machine I have seen put the most muscle mass on someone according to a BCA tests only goes 43hz @ 0.7 mm
But 7 other variations were added . The kind of variations people who talk about Fq and Amplitude as the main spec points know nothing about.
"US International Organization for Standardization. She questioned the safety of vibration training as per US ISO 2631"(Google this)
Why don't you Google that with my name next to it, and see the work we did in 2003 , working out safe exposure levels "before" the safety programs were released .
Got to love these "expert" types getting on the bandwagon now years after the real work has already been done. And being so simplistic in their statement it means nothing, it just sounds good to the uneducated.
Eg....
You use the same involuntary reflexes to catch yourself as you do to catch a ball. The distance between you and the thrower is the amplitude, the frequency of the throw is obviously the FQ. If you catch a volley-ball its not that hard to repeat over and over, but change that to a medicine ball and the workload changes considerably. Your form also has to be more precise or you risk injury.
So the Fq may not change, nor the amplitude , but EVERYTHING , including optimal training effects and safety poses, fatigue factors, anabolic responses etc.. can due to the simple change in mass.
And that's just 1 variation in 9 in just a very basic Lineal negative response platform. If you start introducing positive ( pulling ) responses it goes to 24 quite quickly.
The researchers who repeat that Fq and Amplitude are "everything" are only repeating what they hear from companies who have no real idea what they are playing with, so cover up their ignorance with mass marketing and buying off researchers ( with grants ) to repeat their crap.
Both groups are the lowest common denominator in our industry.
Valid Research.... ???
Do you know how many researchers " forgot" ( re were not smart enough ) to tests the machine to even see what they were doing prior to the research. They just went off the manufacturers specs , and with such companies like Power Plate faking specs left right and center. This practice from unethical marketers and lack of foresight from researchers has skewed results to such a point they are basically useless and can not be reproduced.
Direct quotes from David Basset-Jones who did studies on the Power Plate in 2005 , later to find out he was lied to........
“As far as having “engineering reports” done on machines, I would argue that it is the ethical responsibility of the manufacturer to do this testing and report the results. The blame is not on the researchers but the manufactures ”
“As far as my ( Power Plate ) study in 2005, we only measured the accelerations (which were different than the manufacturer’s claimed accelerations). This was done without an individual standing on the plate.”
” I also feel that there are some researchers (myself included) that would like to perform product testing so that consumers can be informed of the true specs.”
“We are testing it loaded and unloaded. Believe it or not, you are not the only one who has wondered if the Power Plate, being made of a softer material than steel, affects the vibration characteristics.”
“I agree that all plates should be tested before (and while, to go above and beyond) they are being used for a research study…..I can only wish that I thought of this prior to doing this study”
“I am more concerned about the errors/limitations of my research than you are. This was years of planning, testing, and analyzing that I put in to this project. I could not account for limitations in the study that I was not aware of at that time.”
Now this from 2009 to show the practice still exists....
Medscape Medical News
ACSM 2009: Whole-Body Vibration Improves Function After Hip Replacement Surgery
Jordana Bieze Foster
June 3, 2009 (Seattle, Washington)
" Exercises were performed on a Pneu-Vibe vibration platform, at manufacturer-calibrated frequencies between 25 and 40 Hz and amplitudes between 4 and 6 mm. However, Dr. Maddalozzo noted that the researchers’ independent measurements put the actual frequency between 21 and 32 Hz and the actual amplitude between 0.82 and 1.1 mm "
Unethical manufacturers + researchers pretending to be smart = my industry treading water

Posted by: Mindy Thiesen | 18-Jun-2009 08:28 AM |

I don't care how efffective vibrational training may be, just being on the machine gave me a headache! No thanks.

Posted by: Di Heap | 18-Jun-2009 09:07 AM |

Hi Mindy, You statement lacks all the information necessary to address it. Like, what type of machine you used or what brand? Was it a higher quality machine in a studio or gym, or was it an "as-seen-on-tv" unit?
Had you eaten before you used the machine - you really must as it's hard -out exercise if you use a higher force platform. Did you drink adequate water before, during and after your session?
Did you have the guidance of an experienced vibration training instructor or PT who knew how to use the machine correctly? Where you in correct positions on the machine with your head and neck correctly placed?
And lastly a warning, again, all machines are not created equal! Even if you eat, drink etc (as needed for all exercise) and use the machine correctly you just might have been using a crappy machine - one that has uncontrolled vibration going in all sorts of directions. I tried a bad one and it made me feel sea-sick. If you tell me where you live I will try to arrange a session on a good machine for you.

Posted by: Stephanie Pettersen | 20-Jun-2009 09:36 AM |

I have wrote a comment before and have been reading the latest comments. I basically think people should try the Flexi-Bar before writing negative comments. How can anyone write a comment on anything if you never seen, touch or tried?
I have used and use at this present moment in my Studio on the Gold Coast and that's why I wrote my comment before and writing again now. I think the Flexi-Bar is unique and it has a huge potential within the Australian Fitness Industry.
And again in my opinion it works better than the Bodyblade because I have tried both. Anyone can swing the Bodyblade but guess what? Not the Flexi-Bar...If you don't have the momentum with the Flexi-Bar, you got nothing...So it is great for people with poor coordination.

Stephanie Pettersen from cyclelates.com.au
4 x Times World Bodyboarding Champion

Posted by: Di Heap | 23-Jun-2009 06:21 AM |

Stephanie, I agree that people should try a method or machine before being totally negative about it. I have nothing against Flexi-Bar as an exercise or therapy method BUT it's a real stretch to call it Vibration Training as the author of this article has done and to compare it to PowerPlate.
A different term is needed for hand force vibration.
Vibration Training is the term used for motorised controlled vibration delivered (usually) via a platform that the user positions on in squats and other exercise poses. Being motorised and controlled in factors like frequency, amplitude etc, it's very different to a hand powered device, no matter how good that device is. I consider this article very misleading.
Di Heap
www.vibeplus.com

Posted by: Steve Schiemer | 13-Jul-2009 04:21 PM |

Response written by Blog Post author: Steve Schiemer

It seems that I have really opened a can of worms with my piece about Vibration Training recently. After reading through some of the posts, I thought I should take the time to address some of the issues raised.

Firstly, I am really surprised by the number of ‘angry’ postings (for want of a better word) about a subject that very few of the respondents have actually used. If you have tried a Power Plate/Vibro-Gym or a FLEXI-BAR and don’t like it, I completely understand. Like anything, it is not for everyone. Surely though, if you haven’t actually experienced something, a final judgement should be reserved until you do? It is akin to me looking at a personal trainer’s profile and deciding that they are not a good trainer, based solely on reading their bio. I am sure the personal trainer in question would argue that they should be given a chance and allowed at least one session with me to prove themselves. In fact they would probably argue that they should do a few sessions with me so we can get to know each other and workout what works and what doesn’t. Surely any new piece of kit deserves the same response – if not for the trainer, for the sake of their client, as it may be something they really take to.

As to this being a marketing ploy because I am the director of the company which sells FLEXI-BARs in the UK, I was asked by Network to submit the piece for discussion because of this fact. I have been involved in this field for the past 5 to 6 years, have run training courses, spoken at fitness events, and spent a lot of my time speaking with physios, coaches and doctors about this type of training. We do not sell in Australia, so there is currently no real personal advantage for me to write the piece. It is also why I am confident that all bar one of the respondents has never used a FLEXI-BAR.

One area that was hotly discussed is that most vibration devices, especially the FLEXI-BAR, are therapeutic, rather than for fitness. That is, they are for rehabilitation of injuries, and not for ‘fitness’. It is absolutely correct to say that FLEXI-BAR began as a rehab tool, and is still used for that. However, it is also used as a fitness training tool, specifically to strengthen the core muscles, improve coordination and balance, and improve sport specific performance. Anyone who has participated in a FLEXI-BAR class or PT session will tell you that the addition of vibrations while performing any number of ‘traditional’ exercises makes those exercises much harder. Again, only actual experience can get this across properly. Added to that the German, Austrian and Finnish Winter Olympic Teams, the British Ski Team, the German and Austrian National Football teams, FC Bayern Munich, Newcastle United FC and many more use FLEXI-BAR as a fitness/strength tool. The Ministry of Defence in the UK began using FLEXI-BAR as part of its rehab programs for injured soldiers, but has now included it in the Basic Training program for new recruits, as the increase in core strength has improved the number of new recruits who finish the course. With today’s technology, it is possible for something that begins life as a rehab tool to cross over to the fitness world. Just look at Pilates, Aqua, the Step platform, and Dyna Bands, all of which started in the rehab world, but are now seen as mainstream fitness tools.

Finally, I really want to address the whole research issue. I am more than aware that the whole area of vibration technology needs much more research before we can be absolutely sure of just how effective it is. I have spent the last five years trying to get studies done (as has the German manufacturer). It is extremely expensive to do a full, double blind study that satisfies all the required criteria for good, solid research. What many people do not realise is that if you can find a research department who will agree to do a study (not easy to find), there is the issue of cost. A good study on a large enough group costs tens of thousands of pounds. In fact, anything up to and beyond £50,000 (AUS$100,000). It is extremely difficult for a research lab or university to find such funding. If a business can afford to pay that kind of money (mine certainly can’t), then any results are frowned upon because the research is funded by the company selling the product. As a result, getting research done is all but impossible. Occasionally a university student will ask to do a small study, but so far only one has actually followed through on this. I would like nothing more than to have more research done on both FLEXI-BAR and any other form of vibration training. Hopefully, with the increasing attention this type of training attracts, the funds will be released for research.

For the person who wanted to know where I got the figures regarding muscle fibre recruitment, see below.

Shepherd, J. All shook up – can vibration training enhance sport performance? http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/vibration-training-and-performance-33404 [Accessed 3 September 2007].

Posted by: Lloyd Shaw | 24-Sep-2009 02:15 PM |

I do not think you get the reason people are "angry" at you. Its your blatant mis-use of the term "Vibration Training" to describe the Flex-Bar you sell. It has NOTHING to do with the Flexi-Bar being effective or not, ( which by the way it is ).
Please note readers...Vibration Training is specific to MECHANICAL vibration, so unless his flexi-bar now has a hidden motor built into it, he is trying to use techno-speak to fool you. And how do I know this? Try looking for the first person to ever list Vibration Training as a Trade-Mark term and ask them what it means.

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